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Free Energy, Steorn, Orbo and … possibly … one million bucks?

PostHeaderIcon Free Energy, Steorn, Orbo and … possibly … one million bucks?

Escher waterfallFor centuries countless people have searched for the holy grail of physics: The perpetuum mobile: A device that would go on and on forever, without the need for external energy. Or even more interestingly: a device that would actually produce more energy than what is put into it. Wouldn’t that be nice? Free energy!

So far, however, such devices have never been constructed and shown to work as promised.

And there is a very plausible reason for that unfortunate failure: such a device would have to violate one or both of two VERY basic laws of nature. It would either break the first law of thermodynamics (conservation of energy), the second law of thermodynamics (entropy never decreases) or both.

It’s not my intention to go into the physics side of all this. Nor will I go over the long history of failed attempts. I just like to focus on the latest folks who are making claims of being able to produce free energy.

And I also will make a prediction or two.

The folks I’m referring to is the company Steorn (link), their ‘free (and clean and continuous) energy’ technology is called ‘Orbo’, they are based in Ireland and their spokesman and CEO is Sean McCarthy.

How are these folks different from all those that have claimed the same and failed miserably?

Quite frankly: Not that much.

The only obvious difference I can see, is that these folks seem to be very good at marketing! They have a very professional web site, have some ‘convincing’ (well…) stories to tell, they REALLY seem to be serious about getting ‘name and brand recognition’, are engaging in discussions in forums, engage the scientific community and generally seem very eager to tell everyone in this world about their ‘claim’: their name is all over the Internet.

All of which will probably raise a bunch of red flags and trigger some alarm bells for folks who have been following the ‘free energy’ clubs around the world: the “Investment Scam’ light will flash as a warning and reminder of previous claims.

Then what are the similarities with previous claims?

Quite a few, but just let me mention the single most obvious one:

THEY CAN’T DEMONSTRATE A WORKING DEVICE!

Another one would be their claim: “BUT WE WILL HAVE A WORKING DEVICE REAL SOON NOW!”

Think about it! You have this great idea! You discovered something that all physicists, to this day, have overlooked (the temporal variance of of magnetic viscosity, in Steorn’s case) and you realize you could build a ‘free energy’ machine with it. What would you do? Would you withdraw in your garage and build a proof of concept and then take this working prototype to investors to help you turn this into a commercial success? Or would you go to investors FIRST, telling them you WILL BE able to build this, but first you need a bunch of money? I can tell you what would I would do, and I can also tell you how I would react as an inversor if you tried to get some money out of me with this ‘device’.

But anyway, Steorn is going to demonstrate this device .. *drum roll* .. this July!

This world will never be the same!

Unless, … some of my predictions come true!

The simplest prediction of course is “No demonstration of a working ‘free energy’ device will take place in July 2007”.

Of course, as Sean McCarthy already has admitted: “.. It is simply a question of money ..” (link), not showing anything wouldn’t be good for those streams of investor money.

So they already came up with the obvious cop-out:

Q: What progress do you have with the continuous motion testing?
A: We have made huge progress on this – we expect to be demoing this version in July. …I would say 80-90% of the way.

80-90%? 

Let me give an example here: Suppose I claim to have a ‘free energy’ device. Let me be VERY modest here, and claim 101% efficiency. The device will demostrate this by dropping a ball from 10 feet. Without any added energy from outside, you will see the bouncing ball reach a height of 10.01 feet!

However, I’m still working on refinements and I’m not quite there yet (I need more money!). So I’ll demonstrate to you (in July 2007) my device as it is now. I will already announce that what you will see is that the dropped ball will bounce to 80 – 90% of its original height! Impressive right? I’m REALLY getting there.. ALMOST there, just a few more percentage points! Please hand me your money.. I really need to finish this! And hey, you just SAW I’m ALMOST there…

Needless to say that a device that ALMOST produces free energy, is NOT a ‘free energy’ device. There are of course cases where ‘almost’ can be impressive or desireable (I wish I ALMOST was a billionaire!), but this is a case where ‘almost’ doesn’t get any points.

It’s probably not easy to find investors for this: most of those interested have their money tied up in premium swamp land in Florida and the Brooklyn Bridge!

Here’s another prediction: I will make this company’s claim known to James Randi, whose JREF organization (link) offers ONE MILLION BUCKS to anyone who can … well … put simply … break laws of nature. I’m sure he’ll agree these folks qualify …

My prediction: The JREF will get to keep their money!

And yet another prediction: before too long this device will show up in the Museum of Unworkable Devices (link)!

Notes:

1. Thanks to my dear friend Leo W. for bringing this to me attention.

2. “A device that would go on and on forever, without the need for external energy”: Of course, ANYTHING goes on and on forever when in motion and no other force acts on it! (Newton made that very clear!): I’m talking here about a machine whose internal ‘motions’ keep going on without addition of energy from outside!

3. This site lists quite a few attempts by folks who didn’t let their thinking be clouded by knowledge of the laws of nature: link.

4. And here’s an interesting link in case you yourself think you can get rich off of the free energy craze: link.

5. Steorn’s announcement: See Sean McCarthy explain (?) it all: link.

“Ex nihilo nihil”
Anaxagoras, Greek
philosopher 500 B.C

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8 Responses to “Free Energy, Steorn, Orbo and … possibly … one million bucks?”

  • Pokey says:

    Scientists are worst zealots, when it comes to a heresy that they say conflicts with their KNOWN laws of nature.

    EXAMPLE:
    You have built an AM transmitter with an output of one half a watt. Under ideal conditions this would cover easily a diameter of some 10 kilometers on level ground with a good aerial.
    We now have a little guy who has just built himself an old fashioned crystal detector set, strung up an aerial and connected some old fashioned high impedance headphones.
    What happens is our little fellow can hear, after tuning in to the broadcast, what is being said.
    No big deal you say. Quite correct, this technology has been around for a long time. In fact so long that hardly anyone remembers how it worked.
    Well, for one, a crystal detector as described does not have its own power source. All the energy necessary to drive the set is derived from whatever radiated energy the aerial can drag in.
    But it very really transfers enough energy to two electromagnets to vibrate two diaphragms made of steel to vibrate the adjoining air to the point where it becomes possible to listen to the broadcasted sound, even after the carrier frequency has been stripped away.
    So what, you say, its all simple stuff. We know all about radio broadcasting an such.
    But do we?? What happens if we put two more detector circuits up?
    Well nothing really they will hear the same stuff, if they are built properly.
    Alright what about ten thousand or a million or so.
    Same thing, as long as they are in range there is no reason why each one of these circuits would not perform the way the others do. And what about the transmitter?
    What about the transmitter? There is no way any radio receiver can put a load onto a radio transmitter.
    Are you trying to tell me than a single little transmitter with about half a watt output is capable of moving millions of membranes by millions of electromagnets without losing any energy?? And isn’t the energy that is driving the magnets bigger than the one transmitted???
    Well duuuuhhhhh, I don’t know about that.
    This is where science is stuck in its own debris. It has been known for a long time that traditional Newtonian concepts do not apply to resonant circuits of certain designs. No-one in the hallowed halls of academia is prepared to admit it though and you can get into a lot of trouble just pointing out the discrepancies to the wrong people as I have found out on a number of occasions.
    Fact is that the behavior of certain resonant circuits cannot be explained with Newtonian physics. There also appears to be a net gain of energy in those circuits which becomes more pronounced the closer we get to perfect harmony. Harmony with precisely what is anyone’s guess.

  • W. Joseph says:

    Where does the reference to “one hundred million bucks” come from? The JREF foundation offers one million dollars. Are there a hundred JREF foundations to be collected from? Otherwise, good skeptical argument, but nothing anyone hasn’t heard before. That’s your right of course and the nature of blogs!…but I guess we all wait for July 1st (whoever’s still paying attention) to either be disappointed and learn a valuable lesson about falling for well orchestrated bullshit…. or potentially get our socks knocked off. I’ll just wait and see.

  • Paul says:

    @W.Joseph: Later in my post I did mention the ONE million dollar JREF price. I could say that the hundred million in the post’s title was referring to the kind of money these folks will be making if they really can produce free energy, but truthfully, it was just an error. I corrected it, thanks for catching it. As for my argument being the same old one .. that’s because their claim is the same old one! And so far the arguments against those same old claims have been proven correct, or rather, have not been proven incorrect by demonstrations of working over-unity devices.
    And yes, I too will just wait and see.
    Not holding my breath though!
    Nor investing in it.

  • Paul says:

    @Pokey .. I don’t agree with your take on science. Any scientist worth her or his salt would be VERY interested in critique of their findings and actively seeking falsification of ones ideas is FUNDAMENTAL to ‘doing’ science.

    I DO agree with you, however, that there are, in fact, MANY physical phenomena that cannot be explained with Newtonian physics.

    Fortunately, we DID make at least SOME progress since 1727 and can now explain, predict and manufacture far more things than what was possible in Newton’s time .. with Newtonian physics.

    Since I’m not an RF-engineer, rather than proving you wrong, I will follow the more skeptical method: Show me!
    You claim you can extract free energy (defined as getting more energy out of something than was put into it) by means of resonant circuits of a certain design.
    Fine!
    Since you make the claim, the burden of proof rests upon you.
    Show me! And remember, there’s an enormous incentive for you to indeed show me a working device: it’s going to make you filthy rich!

    But let me make a prediction here too, concerning your question “And isn’t the energy that is driving the magnets bigger than the one transmitted???”: I predict that you will find that the answer to this question is “No”.
    But again, it’s up to you to prove your claim.

  • Jerry says:

    Q: What progress do you have with the continuous motion testing?

    I believe Sean is talking about their attempts to build a device which moves in a rotational fashion, like a electric motor, rather than the stop/start type of device they claim to have now.It’s very hard to follow all the thread over at their forums.

  • John Searle says:

    You people just don’t get it do you?

    This machine really works, but is not a perpetuum mobile, because those don’t exist and they never will. What this machine does is use the force generated by magnets to make another round magnet spin. (Orbit)
    So there is nothing mysterious about it, and it doesn’t create energy out of nothing. It just uses magnetic force. If you try to put two magnets together at the same poles you have to put in energy to counter the magnetic force. What powers this magnetic force? Is energy being created out of thin air to create this magnetic force? No, a magnet just makes spacetime flow around it naturally. And that flow can be used to move antoher magnet. These guys just found a configuration in which that motion can be sustained by the gained momentum. Free, clean, endless.
    The simple fact is that we don’t understand yet how forces like magnetism work at a level past the subactomic. I think that phase 3 will show us that all current laws still apply, but that we should try to learn how magnetism really works.

    Only problem of course is that unstable countries exporting oil and gas will go into civil war because they will go bankrupt in a matter of years. Just imagine Russia not exporting oil and gas anymore. Millions of people unemployed and without money. Or gasstations only selling sandwiched, because we don’t need fuel anymore… I guess we’ll go through a dark period before we become enlightened.

  • Paul says:

    @John Searle:

    1. “..but is not a perpetuum mobile, ..”

    It is not?
    Let me quote from Steorn’s claim: “Orbo produces free, clean and constant energy – that is our claim. By free we mean that the energy produced is done so without recourse to external source. By clean we mean that during operation the technology produces no emissions. By constant we mean that with the exception of mechanical failure the technology will continue to operate indefinitely.”
    That, to me (and many others) is the DEFINITION of a perpetuum mobile!

    2. “.. we don’t understand yet how forces like magnetism work at a level past the subactomic ..”
    What are you talking about? EVERYTHING on a scale smaller than the atomic scale is, by definition, subatomic. What do you mean by PAST subatomic?

    3. “.. phase 3 will show us that all current laws still apply, ..”
    That contradicts what ‘these guys’ themselves have to say about that: (from their claim:) “.. The sum of these claims for our Orbo technology is a violation of the principle of conservation of energy, perhaps the most fundamental of scientific principles. The principle of the conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created or destroyed, it can only change form..”

    4. “.. I guess we’ll go through a dark period before we become enlightened..”
    You mean, just like the enormous world chaos after we introduced steam, electricity and nuclear power?

    About this free energy thing, John… you’re right! We people are NOT getting it. Ever.

  • Paul says:

    If you believe the Steorn claims .. maybe you buy into this as well… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBp5ag6SJH4

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